Java is a relic of the past, its verbosity and lack of innovation are holding back a generation of devs.

yeah java is pretty dated but at least its stable and reliable. the new hotness might be more fun but sometimes boring is better, ya know?

like js is actually advancing the field or anything

if you think java is holding anyone back, you're not giving credit to the devs who are actually using it to build amazing things

java is still going strong and getting better. it has its quirks but the and tooling is top-notch. calling it a relic is just ignorant.

uh yeah that's why my old java projects are still paying my bills lol

yeah because clearly the solution to java's verbosity is to just use one more underscore in our variable names

java's been holding me back for years, that's why i still have a job

ya, except for the part where it still runs like 90% of the world's android apps and stuff

tell me that when java still powers like 90% of android apps and half the web

What's really holding them back then, their Java skills or their reckless disregard for legacy code?

to be pedantic, java may be verbose but it's like a reliable old friend - you can always count on it to be there, unlike some trendy frameworks that come and go like the wind.

seriously, how many java devs have you met who don't hate it?

says the guy still using javascript in 2023. maybe update your web stack, my dude.

lol no it's just holding back a generation of devs from getting a social life

java still has its purpose and I've seen faster dev turnaround with it than with some of the hipster langs. complexity isn't the only metric.

how many languages have you actually maintained production codebases in?

yall think kotlin and scala woulda even existed without java layin the groundwork?

what makes it more "" than c# or python, exactly?

ive seen more things in a relic's garage

nah, java is a solid language that's been battle tested for decades.

nah fam, java ain't goin nowhere and it's rock solid and enterprises rely on it.

i guess that's why i just got a java job offer from a major company today

I'm with you, but let's not forget C# has its own set of clunky features and Microsoft is now swallowing all the cool kids' innovations too.

reminds me when my grandma called Kotlin a fad

old enough to remember when people used to say that about cobol

i feel like you just spilled coffee all over their code and then stepped on it

are you kidding me?! java may not be the flashiest thing out there, but it still gets the job done, and pretty darn well for a lot of

agreed, java is too wordy and outdated. we need more modern. Concise languages that can keep up with the pace of tech.

yeah i get where they're coming from, but let's not forget the entire industry runs on java for now, going to take some big companies

Java may be verbose, but at least it doesn't require a 10-page config file just to say "hello world".

sweet tea, java may be old but at least it ain't cryin' about millennials like some folks i know.

How can you say that when Java is still one of the most widely used and versatile languages powering everything from enterprise apps to big

can't you just, for once, state your opinion without tearing down something else in the process?

java is a relic and so overused. i agree, its verbosity and lack of innovation is a huge problem.

i kind of agree, but let's be real, a lot of the existing codebase is still in java and it's not like we can just rewrite everything overnight...

i'm not gonna lie, i still use java but only because it's what the paycheck gods demand.

That's cute, meanwhile Java is over here still paying my bills while you're blogging about Rust

java might be old, but at least it ain't crusty like the boomers tryna keep it around.

java is a relic of the past. we should be using better languages instead of retraining our teams in

you really think java's been holding devs back? have you tried writing enterprise apps without it?

really? how many apps did you actually ship on whatever hot new language you're hyping this week?

ugh, seriously?! java may be verbose but its got a huge and tons of enterprise support. true, its not the most but its still super useful.

Which language's libraries and frameworks did you think were more when you were writing that mildly inflammatory hot take?

yeah that and its still somehow widely taught in compsci classes. like what's the logic there?

i guess thats what happens when you try to compile a decent story too

yeah, like, that's literally what whenever i have to use it for work. my manager is still nostalgic for the good old days, idk how to get him to care

actually, java is like me at 2am on a call, still kinda holding on for now

oh man, tell that to the enterprise systems running smoothly on it since 2005

Java's still got its purposes. Benchmarks don't always tell the whole story and there are plenty of applications that run smoothly on it.

cool, what language are u using to replace the 10 million+ java developers worldwide?

yeah java is a bit dated but theres a reason its still around.

Java may be verbose, but at least it's not a relic like your coding skills.

Java may be a "relic". But it sure has aged like a fine wine. At least we don't have to worry about memory leaks in our code - just our social lives.

Just gonna log off and let Rust and C++ fight it out while I still know how to write a warm cup of coffee

what language are you using to develop your bold new future, then?

couldn't agree more, java's been a crutch for lazy devs for too long...

wow, someone's feeling a bit feisty today. maybe they need to spend some quality time with their old friend javadoc.

java is a relic? that's rich coming from someone who still codes in punch cards.

at my startup we wrote a million LOC in Java last year and somehow the earth didn't spin backwards, kids are still okay

preach! and don't even get me started on the state of android development - we need disruption in that space, stat.

idk why people still defend java, its a nightmare to work with and every other language has made it

are you kidding me java is still the most widely used language in the world for a reason and it's because it's tried and true not some flash in the pan tech

java is a tool that gets the job done, don't dismiss it just because it's not "trendy" or "cool", some of the most complex systems in the world were built with java.

how many million-dollar startups are you aware of that have successfully replaced their java stack with something better?

java gets a bad rap for being old school but it's still a go-to for android dev and for good reason.

java may be verbose but it's a workhorse that's stood the test of time.

agree. java is so outdated, the syntax is a pain and it feels like we're stuck in the 90s.

are you kidding me, you're just now figuring out how to work around java's limitations or what?

are you kidding me? java's still one of the most popular languages for a reason - it's stable. Scalable, and actually useful for real-world applications

are you kidding me ? java has a longer lifespan than most of your coding careers and still has a massive community backing it

imagine thinking java's verbosity is a bad thing. sorry, i like my code to actually make sense and

What's your go-to alternative that checks all the boxes of a modern, language?

java is amazing and you're wrong. it's a powerful, versatile language used by millions.

yeah okay nerd, how's your kotlin app store takeover going?

java is still a widely used and respected language for a reason - its maturity and ness offer something that some newer langs don't, like a huge community and industry backing.

Java may have its flaws. But it's still a solid language that has stood the test of time. Newer isn't always better - sometimes tried and true is what you need.

have you ever actually used java in a production environment or are you just regurgitating what you read on hacker news?

are you kidding me? java is still one of the most widely used languages out there and your fave

java's still stuck in the past, but at least it can pretend to be a remote class and get away with being lazy

yeah, that's why I still use it every day and get paid to do so

yeah, java is pretty dated these days. but at least it's stable and reliable - can't say the same for some of these new

totally disagree, depend on the project and personal preference, python is overrated in my book

I couldn't agree more, but let's not forget it also spawned a culture of defensive programming where null safety is an afterthought

I agree, Java is outdated and too wordy. Newer languages like Kotlin and Swift are way more concise and bring real innovation to the table. Java devs need to adapt or risk getting left behind.

you wanna make that claim after contributing exactly 0 notable opensource projects?

imagine thinking java is the problem when javascript exists

I have to disagree, I've been developing with Java for years and it's still one of the most reliable and efficient languages I use - it may not be the flashiest, but it gets the job done.

totally agree mate. Been saying this for years, but have you seen the state of some of the

Preach! I'd add that the real tragedy is how many new languages and frameworks are solving problems Java could have solved years ago if it just had a more liberal attitude towards experimentation and breaking changes.

Tell that to the millions of Android apps and Fortune 500 companies still running on Java. Sounds like someone's having a midlife crisis... or just a bad Monday morning

have you actually worked on a large-scale java project in hte last 5 years or are you just

okay genius, how many production-level applications have you maintained in a language that isn't java?

Java might be a bit wordy, but at least it doesn't expect you to write an entire program in a single line of code. Maybe the next language will be just a single emoji - that'd be real innovation!

what's the alternative, then? i'm genuinely interested in hearing what you think is a better.

ugh, so true. java is a pain to write, all the boilerplate is so annoying.

what exactly do you think it's been innovated by again?

so which programming language are you trying to sell us that's so much better and not at all a fad?

yeah i mean java has its issues but it's still one of the most widely used languages. there's a reason it's a standard. but i do agree that newer languages like kotlin and scala are a breath of fresh air.

how many junior devs have you actually mentored, tho

lol okay boomer, tell that to the millions of android devs making bank