loving how our culture still romanticizes substance abuse in music just as most of it glamorizes toxic relationships https://www.reddit.com/user/DragonflySea9423

music is art, not a reflection of our values. if you wanna lecture people about meaningful vibes, make some actual music yourself

so are you saying we should stop making art that reflects the realities of people's lives?

i mean, name a more iconic duo than drugs and music. it's a classic really 🤷‍♀️

you really think that's all music is perpetuating these days, or are you not looking at contemporary music being made

yes, agreed and it's getting out of hand. part of the problem is the media's obsession with

the music industry would be empty without substance abuse and toxic relationships tbh

are you kidding me? music is about expression, not endorsement. people can separate art from reality, jeez.

nah fam, music's just a reflection of real life. we all got our demons, don't gotta shame people for how they cope.

imagine thinking substance abuse and toxic relationships are romanticized just because theyre

gg go next, the music industry is unplayable anyway

same energy on social media too, feels like everyone's flexing their mental health struggles for

agree but can't help but think that's also a major reason some people struggle to admit they need help.

I agree, it's concerning how substance abuse is often portrayed as glamorous or exciting in music. But I also think we need to hold ourselves and our own loved ones accountable for making healthy choices, rather than just criticizing the artists who

r you seriously gonna sit there and act like thats still a thing we don't acknowledge?

yeah because nothing says 'rockstar' like a liver transplant and a restraining order

r ya kidding me? rockstars wrote songs about the struggles with addiction for a reason, it's not glamourizing it's honesty. get off reddit and listen to some actual music for once

are you kidding me? music about struggles is literally the point, it's catharsis not glamorization, freaking chill

what's next? we'll start praising the alcoholics in AA meetings for their "bravery"?

im just over here still glamorizing my toxic relationship with caffeine

are you kidding me? music about substance abuse and toxic relationships is literally just people being honest about their experiences, not "romanticizing" it.

dude, you can't just reduce an entire art form to glorifying 'substance abuse' and 'toxic relationships' every time you

are you kidding me? it's just music, it's not glorifying anything, it's art.

i know right? it's so fucked up how we just accept that shit. like, no wonder people struggle with addiction when we keep putting it on a pedestal.

bruh, you must be fun at parties. maybe the artists are just being 'relatable' 😂 ain't nothing wrong with a little self-medication, am i right?

omg yes and dont even get me started on the glamorization of burnout and exhausting work schedules.

yeah, because the last thing i need is a well-meaning artist glamourizing the one thing that almost killed them and then expecting me to care about their music

you think that's gonna change when all the old dudes who made their careers off that image are still running the music industry?

yeah it's wild how we consume that stuff and then act shocked when artists burn out or hurt each other irl.

tf do you mean? plenty of music calls out substance abuse and toxic relationships.

Do you actually think people only get into those habits because of music, or are you blaming art for the reflection of reality?

Couldn't agree more. Also, let's not forget how often it's used as a marketing gimmick to make artists seem 'edgy' or 'authentic' - it's a tired trope that's more about selling a

what's the difference between glamorizing substance abuse and glamorizing toxic relationships if we're just listening to the same lyrics and calling it "songwriting edge"?

wow what a convenient post from someone w/ a username referencing opioids

maybe we should start a podcast about toxic productivity and hustle culture instead. 4am wake up calls and protein shakes all around!

i guess in music you can drown your sorrows, cheat on your partner, and overdose all while still being deemed "edgy

at least we still have music to get us through these tough times, am i right?

are you kidding me? music reflects reality, not the other way around. if ppl are drawn to lyrics that depict difficult lives, its because they see themselves in it, not because the artists are

almost as much as we romanticize tech bros being complete assholes. but hey, at least its not crypto, right?

tf u on about? music ain't the problem, society is. get off your high horse and open your eyes.

yeah because nothing says 'artistic expression' like almost dying from a heroin overdose and getting a cologne deal out of it

are you seriously gonna crucify artists for being real about their struggles?

lmfao you're basically saying our favorite artists are just a hot mess and a sad song away from a grammy

dude, no, that's not what it's about, people are just being honest about their struggles. not everyone is naive about the dark side of life

are you kidding me? music is supposed to reflect reality. Not sugarcoat it.

wow, what a moralistic take. maybe just let people enjoy the music they like without lecturing them.

What's the point of criticizing music for glamorizing these things when movies and TV shows do it way worse and nobody says a thing?

i mean, at least they're being honest about it. that's more than we can say for the politicians.

do you have a better way for musicians to authentically explore the complex emotions and experiences that often lead to substance abuse and toxic relationships? or do you just want sanitized art that doesn't reflect reality?

can you provide one instance where a well-known musician or artist wasn't criticized for substance abuse but was for a toxic relationship? just curious.

i feel you on that and its so normalized and even celebrated sometimes. and we wonder why these issues are so prevalent, especially in younger

agree, it's wild how much influence industry promoting unhealthy behaviors can have on our youth,

Are we literally waiting for someone to get really hurt before we stop celebrating artists that contribute to the problem?

um, isn't that kind of the point of a lot of music though? to glorify and make us feel something?

same and it's not just music, i see it in comedy and movies too, like people thinking it's funny or cool to blackout drink every weekend, it's really not

guess thats just the way the party crashes

omg yeah and don't even get me started on the whole 'tortured artist' trope, like mentally unstable = creative genius or some bs... only perpetuates the stigma around seeking help

omg yes, and don't even get me started on how often they gloss over mental health struggles as if they're some kind of creative inspiration rather than a serious issue that needs support and treatment

say what? music was always a reflection of the times. And the times have problems. you don't expect it to get better overnight, do you?

idk if thats really what music is doing. sounds to me like people are just trying to cope with their own misery. and if some guy on reddit says otherwise doesnt make it fact.

great, now you're gonna lecture us on music when you're named after a mythological creature and a sea creature...

can we stop reducing all music to a simplistic "glamorizes" vs "anti" narrative? aren't most songs just honest depictions of human struggles?

agreed, and can we also talk about how some of these artists' lyrics casually promote predatory behavior under the guise of 'love

that's a pretty simple take. music reflects society, for better or worse. if you don't like it, change the channel.

Do you think it's ironic that the same people complaining about this glorification are still blasting the same problematic artists on

come on, that's bullshit. music has always been about expressing the human experience, which includes the good and the bad.

it's wild that we still haven't moved past that narrative. and it's not just music, our entire entertainment industry still profits off portraying addiction as some kind of tortured artist chic

nah mate, that's proper wank. music's always reflected the realities of life, good and bad.

why is that even surprising at this point? we've been doing that since the 60s.

bless your heart, you're just now figuring this out? we've been singing about our whiskey-soaked heartbreak and

i guess that's just a typical tuesday evening listening to lyrics about icewater and laptops

i'm still waiting for the album about how great it is to have a healthy work-life balance and get 8 hours of sleep every night

i thought toxic relationships were just a phase, now it's a merch opportunity

yeah because pearl jam's entire discography isn't a cautionary tale about the dangers of heroin

lowkey it's not just music, social media is just as bad. everyone's always posting about their 'self care' wine nights

Not sure what music you're listening to, but I don't think most artists are glamorizing addiction. Many are actually using their platforms to talk about their struggles with it and the deating

r u kidding me with this crusade about complaining about music also being aware that literally

you really think that's all there is to it? maybe it's a reflection of the struggles people face and how they try to cope. ever think about that?

gotta get those streams up somehow i guess

fr this is so true. and the worst part is that a lot of these artists have huge followings of impressionable young fans

are you kidding me? that's not romanticizing, that's honest storytelling. your reddit cred means nothing here btw

nah that's bs. music reflects real life and people's struggles. maybe you should just let people relate to what they're going through instead of judging it all the time.

I agree, it's pretty messed up how so many popular songs normalize or even celebrate self-destructive behaviors. We need more artists using their platform to promote positive messages, you know?

can we make a list of all the artists getting scrutinized for glorifying toxic relationships on the gram versus all the deadstream

i'm so here for this convo. and can we also talk abt how we still idolize "tortured artists" like they're the only ones capable of creating

did you even listen to the music or just read the headlines?

yup and it's not just music. We're also still idolizing billionaires who made their fortunes by exploiting people. same energy

yeah, for real. and don't even get me started on how they glorify mental illness these days. like, it's not quirky to be severely depressed, it's fucking awful.

I agree. That's a really good point about how a lot of popular music normalizes unhealthy behaviors. It's concerning how widely accepted that stuff is, even though it can be really harmful.

i'm so done with the endless praise of dying in the 90s and the idea that being hungover all the time is some sort of cool milestone i want authenticity, not a fresh PR spin on exhausting the same

yeah fr, that shit is so normalized and even glorified.

nah, idk about that. some of those songs are literally about struggling with addiction. Not glamorizing it.

tbh yeah and it's wild how often that same crowd claims to be about 'self care' and 'mental health

gg go next 😴 guess they never heard of using music to cope with real life - not everyone has a perfect instagram life 🤷‍♂️

do people really not hear the difference between a song being real and honest about the struggles of addiction and one that's glamorizing it for clout?

what a load of bs. everyone knows music reflects real life, not the other way around. if you dont like it, stop listening.

i guess that's one way to overdramatize a problem

You make a fair point. What do you think can be done to address that more responsibly in the entertainment industry?

this is some bullshit. a lot of music is a reflection of real life and people's experiences, both good and bad.

idk what kind of music ur listening to but my favorite artists just talk about sipping lean and

yup because nothing says "healthy lifestyle" like a 30 year old guitarist with a whiskey glass.